I do know you can do this with Redgard, Aquadefense, and Hydroban. And i was wondering if redgard can be saved if seal tight for future jobs, Thanks. Thanks, Bob RobertHeath, Mar 25, 2013 #1. kylenelson You'll find me on the floor I Support TFP Senior Member. If it’s too large to fill with caulk it’s too large to fill with redgard. I’ve read where a lot of people fill the gap between the backer board and tub flanage with silicone and some people fill this area with thinset. It’s time to finish the shower. I also use these products for main or additional waterproofing on things like shower niches and concrete wall in basements, places where it is difficult to have a plastic vapor membrane behind the backerboards. Can I redgard a shower pan and curb if they have a PVC membrane under it? Just thoroughly coat the entire inside of your shower until the whole thing is bright pink – enough so it can be seen from space. I am attempting my first tiling project at my house. Greatly appreciate the help- you guys are the best! Basically any place that does not have waterproofing between the tile and shower framing. Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. Thinset? When these products set they will create a rubber-like coating on your walls that is waterproof. Self-Leveling Underlayment LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps LevelLite Self-Leveling Underlayment helps level floors prior to the installation of ceramic I wouldn't do that. I assume that using some sort of modified thinset is the answer, but which brand? If their is any gaps after using red guard on new cement board on 3 rows of tile can you use flex seal over the gaps? Now, let it dry and it's ready to be tiled. Thanks for the great resource! Yes, you can, but why would you? Primer and paint? Yes, they should be dampened. Ceramic Tile Advice Forums - John Bridge Ceramic Tile. Above the tile will just be painted wall. I thought Redguard was … Previous post: Installing Cement Backerboard for Tile in a Shower. What type of thinset and grout should I use for the travertine? If you laid a 12" tile over redgard and assume the redgard is essentially not moving any moisture and neither is the tile, the center middle of that tile's moisture has to now dry through 6" to get to the side of the tile. I was planning on taping this gap and using regard on top of the tape (a couple of coats). Paint will not bond to it in my experience. Hi Roger, (That’s the word on the street…), Help with all your tile needs (and extreme jackassery!). You can browse through the many Tile Redi choices here. Repair of 3 rows of tile at bottom of shower wall and floor. I've had too many experiences with customers telling me about the very slow drying time with pre-mixed tile … Easily applied with roller, trowel or sprayer producing a continuous moisture barrier with outstanding adhesion. Because I’m using Redgard, can I use mesh tape and thin-set over the seams and then paint on the redgard… However, we are more than likely not tiling all the way to the ceiling. Tile Redi is the most well-known manufacturer of tile-ready shower pans, and most of what they offer is available for purchase on Amazon. Tile-Redi, a leading manufacturer of tile-over pans offers a wide range of shower pans that are ready for tile, including curb and curbless models as well as special features, such as infinity drains, tile-over drains, and shower seats. Therefore, the material you place the Redgard putty on is important. Everything looked as described in other threads I have read on here. Also, can the same thinset be used for floor tile in the same bathroom? Why does Redguard Fail? When it comes to waterproofing and crack isolation in tile assemblies, trust the RedGard brand from Custom Building Products. And because every shower design is different we offer a variety of entrances as well: single curb, double curb, triple curb, or barrier free. When I use these products I always use a cement-based backerboard as the wall substrate without a plastic vapor barrier. Or can I somehow remove the Redguard?? Use the Manage Attachments feature below the Reply dialog box. However, Killz will bond to it, and paint will bond to the Killz. —Michal Mroczko is a tile contractor in Atlanta, GA who I'd try gasoline or acetone. Yes, since you already have it there just sand it down and apply redgard over it. Okay......now I'm really confused. Redi Base ® one-piece, leakproof shower pans come in over 100 standard models with a variety of sizes and drain locations. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. You should be used to it after a few minutes. Installing tile over a wood subfloor is a lot easier today than it was when I started my remodeling career. For larger showers you can also get a 3.5 gallon bucket. RedGard waterproofing membrane is an easy-to-install solution to prevent water leaks through horizontal and vertical installations. After the tile work is properly set, follow the architect's and manufacturer's instructions to … This finished tile floor is installed over a plywood and cement backer board subfloor. I have almost an inch gap between Saltillo and the wall where custom building products commercial silicone has stood up for almost 5 years. Hi Larry, Your tile can then be installed directly onto your walls over the membrane with a proper thinset mortar. That said it seems to me it would prolong drying. I don’t have that luxury at this point! View Full Version : Redguard mistake on shower pan. Waterproofing membrane is added over the tape. This is useful in that when it is dry it turns dark red. Is there a solvent other than gasoline or acetone that I should use before I attempt to peel the redguard off? You need a full coating for the product to be effective. I’m weird like that. I am using tumbled travertine 1" x1" mosaic for the floor and 8" x 20" for the walls. If my gap was around 1/8”, it would be easy to fill with silicone. You can post photos stored on your computer at any time, Margaret. I don’t know if it’s any help but some good quality silicone caulking should easily fill 1/4”. There’s no information on the possible application I may use it for on the bucket or online. Click here to get an instruction manual for your waterproofing installation. Should I sand off the Redgard? The reason that I don’t recommend the mesh tape with step one (silicone) is that the silicone will act as a bond breaker to thinset if it’s smeared over the surface. For the shower floor, just spread thinset on the floor with a 1/4x1/4 notch, hard to spread the backs of the tiles. Do you know if it can or should be done? Also, I believe modified takes longer to cure and requires aeration, and with Redgard being an impervious layer I feel will not allow it to aerate properly to cure. It would be better and easier if you just removed what was presently there. But will unmodified thinset be weaker and not properly hold the tile over time, especially on the ceiling. Okay- thanks I am going to try to peel it off of the pan....I hope I can get at it- seems to be on there pretty good. Now I am reading this is a big mistake as it creates the moisture "sandwich" and will cause mold in a couple weeks/months. Take half of a one gallon pail of RedGard and spread it over 25 square feet for the first coat. Killz is the most readily available, but any drywall or paint primer will work fine. Thanks! You can either stop the redgard at 2″ above the shower head (no water is going to get to it above that), or you can use a primer over the redgard, wall mud (joint compound), then paint. "And it won't leak—if you do it correctly." First let me start by saying that I really appreciate the way you explain how to do proper tile work in just about every possible situation that is involved in the process.Very detail oriented with no bs. Or, should we only RedGard where we think we are going to have tile, and then use joint compound on the DuraRock to smooth it out a bit before painting? Install the tile work onto the membrane but do not bridge the joint. Hello, we are tiling our shower. If there is water or moisture behind that existing substrate you’ll be sealing it up – that ALWAYS creates issues. You should be fine since it is seldomly used and you only put a thin layer of redgard on it. I’m using Durock, Redgard, and a Redi Niche. Before applying Redgard, would you recommend taping/thinsetting the seams where the niche meets the CBU? Check the respective website for your particular product. The other membranes are similar. LevelLite 30 lb. I got the redgaurad off - but I would like to post a pic. If that doesn't work, you can always pick at it for a while. Reduces crack transmission in ceramic tile or stone floors. Roger, I have black mastic residue from pulling up linoleum. I just skimmed over the screw heads with thinset and red guard over everything. Using RedGard under floor and wall tile will create a barrier that will be undisturbed after the tile is installed and grouted. Fill the divot with mud. A combination of all of these? You gotta like my page. Or what can be used on fiberglass shower walls, I do not want to tear the fiberglass shower out, I just want to upgrade it! DuraRock is up and seams are all taped and have thinset on them. First of all – ‘water-resisant drywall’? Professional Tile Installation Contractor Fort Collins and all of Northern Colorado. It will create a damp layer (mud bed) between two waterproof layers (liner and redgard) and it will grow mold. Or, to meet the requirements of ANSI A118.12, apply two thicker coats of RedGard. I’ve decided to have my privacy violated and start putting things on Facebook. Just need a bit more info to be able to help. I would use tape and mud, let that cure then redgard over everything. The brand we have is flextile. Please help! I have a redi niche installed and am about to put up my CBU. Hello, I always have Redgard with me. You must then do a whole second coat the same way. #3 01-15-20, 05:29 AM Marq1. But since it sounds like you are putting RedGard down, I'm going with the assumption the RedGard is going over a concrete slab floor. I have a existing tile shower. From what I have read, the premixed thinset does not dry out to form a good adhesive bond when applied over/under a non-permeable membrane like Redguard or the Kerdi-band products. We have covered our shower with Redgard and now want to install white glass tile. I’m hearing stories about certain Mortar or thinset That you must use with redgard , Is this true. In other words, on the floor (as opposed to the walls), I'm not sure if it is intended to be tiled over directly. Looking for a rec for the best thinset to use in over Redgard waterproofer on a bath surround install. Most of the product specifications for these materials state two coats to be sufficient, and it probably is. No. RedGard is formulated for tile to be set over it. We are not sure where the tiles will stop (somewhere around 12-16 inches from ceiling), but will gauge as we get near to top and are able to use a full tile at the top and also judge by what looks pleasing to the eye. Am I probably fine for an infrequently used shower in a basement bathroom? No silicone around the drain then- thanks. Secondly, it depends on which particular flex tile product you have. Thanks in advance! What are my best options? He did the pre-slope, curb, liner, & mud. Hereof, how long does RedGard need to dry before tiling? Thanks for the quick reply. Location: USA MI. I need to tile this floor so could I Redgard the mastic residue so my tiles thin set will have a bondable surface? Paint? I have done em like you described and had no problems whatsoever. Once the floor is done you then tile the floor first then work up the walls. Pack grout around the drain real well. I normally use three coats. These products shrink a bit as they dry so you must make sure that it has not shrunk enough to create holes or voids in places such as corners and seams. I wanted to avoid setting a very thin hex mosaic tile … Which particular product (brand name). STANDING water is the problem, water cannot stand on vertical walls. No, you absolutely CAN NOT use tile adhesive (mastic) over the redgard – it will never fully cure. That is a five foot back wall with two 3 foot side walls. My son told me all the cool kids are doin’ it! And then apply new ceramic tile with thin set?? The floor becomes part of the wall system when you wrap the membrane into the floor system. Yes, you can use silicone first if you want. The versatility of these products make them a integral part of my shower waterproofing toolbox. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. They are a bit expensive. Then tile over the RedGard. I will refer to all the membranes as I have 2 quick questions… 1. I just want to do the right thing. You can get a gallon of Redgard online for about $45.00 plus shipping. Can we paint the whole thing with RedGard and then not tile over the Redgard? The best solution is to fill the gap with backer-rod, which is just cylindrical foam, then paint the redgard over that. Using a pre-fab type of flooring system with drain and correct pitch already built into the floor make that part easy. We can give it a more generic title any time you'd like to suggest one. Original review: Aug. 12, 2020. Can I Red Guard a ceramic tile wall. The contractor told me to put Redguard on the curb and "all over if you want to" so I put Redguard all over the pan and curb and 12" up the Durock. Really. The instructions say to fill the gap with 100% silicone, but I can’t find any info on the CBP website about applying Redgard over silicone. Elastomeric or liquid waterproofing membranes are one of the most convenient methods of waterproofing shower walls before installing tile. Yes, you can also fill it with silicone – it will work, it’s just not the best solution. Also apply membrane over any uncovered backer board and screw heads. If that is what you have going on, a wall tile installation, then that is okay. I'm not sure it is designed for direct placement on the pan for tile. What type of Primer do you suggest to paint over the RedGard with before applying Joint compound? Yes, you can run the tape from the backer to the tub and redgard. kylenelson, Mar 25, 2013 #2. I thought maybe the tape and redgard coupled together could fill the gap. Click Above to have professional TileTips sent directly to your inbox. Having two barriers this close together leaves open the chance of trapping moisture between them with no way for it to evaporate. Then set tiles 1/8” above tub shoulder. That should be enough to do a regular tub surround. Is is densshield or purple-board (or something else)? I think your overthinking it.what are they overthiking ? Join Date: Sep 2016. (Thanks for that Davis). Once RedGard has cured, you’re ready to set your tile or stone. Now I am reading this is a big mistake as it creates the moisture "sandwich" and will cause mold in a couple weeks/months. I would tile the floor leaving a grout joint against the drain and then screw the drain down until it is even with the tiles. Using 12×12 tile. My concern is having a nice flat smooth wall that looks nice when it is painted. That’s it – go have an adult beverage until it dries. I think I'm ready to tile but I have a couple questions before I start. Creates more problems that did not exist and 2. Redgard will not bond to silicone. The membranes are more the consistancy of pudding than paint so don’t be afraid to scoop it out to spread it. Redgard is bright pink – I mean pepto-bismol pink, it almost glows in the dark. Ready to apply RedGard For my sealer, My question is. I saw your site too late. Apply a minimum 3/64" (1.2 mm) of RedGard® over the joint and the substrate, following the instructions provided previously. It’ll be fun. Redgard will work, but a primer made for self-leveling cement works as well, and is much less expensive. In an effort to make a new basement shower extra waterproof, I put up 6mil vapor barrier on the studs, 1/4 inch hardiebacker on that, and then one thin coat of Redgard on that. Declares that whomever is building the shower does not have confidence in their ability to waterproof a shower using a proven method. Ideally, the product is made so that you do not ever see the final product behind your brand new substrate. I'd try gasoline or acetone.umm, no. Laticrete’s Hydroban, for instance, goes on light green and dries forest green. I followed instructions, but somehow we must of missed a step because everything cracked and water would have poured right through. Can redguard be used on fiberglass shower walls? About 35-40 mils thick, about the thickness of a credit card. Installation doesn’t get easier than this! Unless you meant ‘can I tape the gap and use redgard over it’, in which case the answer is yes. Those big triangular holes in the mud job I filled in with plaster. These materials can be installed with a regular paint brush, paint roller, trowel, or even sprayed on. If you are using a roller Custom (the company that makes redgard) recommends that you roll on the first coat horizontally and the second coat vertically to ensure full coverage. Then a scraping I will go- finally have a chance to get at it tonight. It’s up to you. Can redgard be painted and if so what kind of paint will stick. The gap is greater than 1/4” in some areas and is too big for caulk. This is more of a cosmetic application question as opposed to applying redgard on a tile substrate.

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